Another odd thing is I can't seem to get the template to take a change in the top menu. I change it, I save it, I clear cache and save and even close out of the template manager, but it doesn't seem to want to take the change. And then, at some point it will. No idea why. I even clear the browser cache with no effect.
Looks like I am having to clear the Joomla cache and then the menu will change.